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Reviews for The Meaning of Pride

By : CardDragonBall

From ANON - jaygoose on April 21, 2004
Yes! Peanut butter! That was awesome...hmm...haven't used that word in a while. I am so glad that you did that...it was soo cool. I have never had my requests ared red before! And no dear, that was certainly enough PB. This chappie was perfect. It even had Lemonade too. It's just all too much! :) I am glad that Goten and Trunks have made up though and with my PB too!
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From ANON - Hecate18 on April 21, 2004
I'm alive! I just thought I'll let you know, holidays are over and I'm stuck to only having 1 day off in the 7 day week. *snif*

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Yay! Trunks and Goten have made up, I'm glad Goten has decided to forgive him, that was a stupid thing to say. And now Pan is born... ^_^
Of courthisthis happy realization�well, it made him happy anyway�was interrupted by his sister-in-law going into LABOR. Stupid girl. - I liked his enthusiastic reaction to this.

Poor Trunks, reduced to being jealous of a jar of peanut butter... can't say I blame him. ^_~
But they should be happy now, cause they got to have nice yummy 'make-up' sex.

I probably wont be able to review tomorrow (but I'll try!), I have work in the evening and some serious arse 'ass' kissing to do (I somehow managed to get my manager's in trouble with Head office U_U).
I think I'll borrow Vegeta. *Looks around for any sign of Goku then runs off to kidnap Vegeta.*
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From ANON - Getarian on April 21, 2004
Love Vegeta's new routine, love that he's keepin cln close touch with Bulma and his son. Love that he's spending time with Goten, but really love that his evenings are with Kakaand and they spend a large portion of it, in such a wonderful manner.

Love this:
"...and getting more sex of tof the bargain because apparently (as Kakarot informed him one day) he was absolute irresistible."

So adorable :-)

"Such reflections made him wonder just what the hell Kakarot had done to him these past months that turned him into such a considerate bastard."

ROTFL! Damn that evil Kakarot! :-D

"...But saying that would make his son infer that he was the uke, and he wasn�t exactly handing out that information on helpful pamphlets."

LOL! Dead right. Not anyone else's business. Loved his thoughts about his s.sho.should have punched him anyway :-)

Really like the idea that Goku and Piccolo train with Trunks, and Vegeta trains with Goten...fathers are usually either, too soft or too tough on their own, and now that the boys are teenagers, the change of offspring for these sessions seem to make much more sense to me :-)

"(What an odd, odd person he ended up with.)"
LOL!

"These cheerful reflections were driven straight out of his mind when the mouth that had been panting against his nipples licked its way down to his erection and reminded him that Kakarot was right there,..."

Wow, he was with Kakarot during all these thoughts, early stages of foreplay though...you know, I like this...he was obviously feeling relaxed by Goku's ministrations, but still coherent enough to ponder on the marvellous turn his life had taken, until Goku started to move down that is...Nicely done!

"Pushed himself up onto his elbows just so he could dip his head back and pant."

Marvellous imagery!

"...but didn�t thrust into the heat, just rocked and panted, made those breathy little gasping sounds."

"But only for Kakarot."

Oh Yeah! These two are so hot together. :-)

Totally loved Goku's thos ons on how Vegeta responds to his touch. Absolutely loved the lemon, cannot possibly hightlight everything I loved...loved it all, loved the way Goku watched Vegeta stroking himself as Goku slowly moved in and out of him, completely erotic. Always love your lemons :-)

Loved how Vegeta made Goku come. Goes to show that, the seme is not always the one in control. :-)

"How many folks thought that the whole above scene happened at night? Hmmm?"

Raises hand. Ooh, morning nookie. Yum. Hot! :-)

Loved the end dialogue :-)

"Oh, well if you don�t like complementan han how about this: YOU SUCK! You�re reviews are HORRIBLE! Sheesh! Go read someone else�s stuff!"

LOL! That's the stuff! Now that wasn't so hard was it? :-D

What you said about compliments, expectations etc, makes perfect sense. I'm sort of pleased that I'm not alone in this...although we react differently, the feeling is still the same. Actually, I'm now sorry that I said anything, because although what I said is perfectly true, I do experience a mild sense of panic, the fact is, I've really come to love reading your feed-back, and yesterday, I felt a momentary pang of regret, when I realised that my statement about how I react to compliments would naturally stifle any feed-back you wished to give my reviews. So can you forget that I ever said anything? I miss your responses to me. Another point I wished to make was the *sigh* in your reply to my review of "Much Like Suffering" - I wasn't sure if it was because I said stuff you'd rather I didn't, but it did occur to me that I don't always think these things through when I review, so if at anytime, I say stuff that you'd rather I didn't, please tell me, and I'll try to avoid that in future...'cause I would hate to think that I've ruined something by opening my mou mouth...I'm not often on the mark anyway, but I'd hate to think that the few times I am, I ruin it by saying something, I shouldn't have.
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From ANON - Mechanical Butterfly on April 21, 2004
I have been lemonfied...

as Kakarot informed him one day) he was absolute irresistible.--aww that was sweet of Goku.

But saying that would make his son infer that he was the uke, and he wasn�t exactly handing out that information on helpful pamps.--s.--rofl! AHHHH! *grabs stomach* the pain of too much laughter...

It never failed, however, that Kakarot showed up at three on the dot every day and was there for the rest of the day until the morning to be with Vegeta. That sort of loyalty was shocking�but he should have expected it.--WOW! I am shocked...j/k No I really think that is so wonderful. It's like they are a married couple or something and I love that we get to read about their lives.

But only for Kakarot.--*is driven to insanity* I loved that!

akarakarot,� Vegeta said, �If you fall asleep now I will make an eunuch out of you.� He was craning his neck to look at him, and Goku smiled.--GAH! You want me to die don't you? That is just too much! Too wonderful to YUM!
That lemon was EXCELLENT!!! But then again so are all of your lemons. And yeah I did think it nighnight, so I was suprised that it was morning...I thought they did it all night or something...hehe...

I really hope Trunks can get his act together and talk to his best friend again. I love the developing relationship that is happening with Goten and Vegeta. Loved that he said he wanted to hit his son for saying something stupid to Goten but didn't. I love the father son relationship there.
Oh and I loved Goku's day watching egg's hatch, etc..lol So carefree...

*Goku looks highly disturbed that he had inadvertently caused a lack of hygiene * *Vegeta pinches his nose and edges away from MB. *--*laughs sheepishly* I was just kidding guys, see! *holds up a bottle of thermasilk* See I just got done washing my hair I smell like roses. *looks at Vegeta* Come back! *smirks and throws bottle of shampoo away* Yeah right like I would ever wash a place that Goku touched me...no NEVER! *is crazy*

^.*
-MB-

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From ANON - jaygoose on April 21, 2004
Did you know that lemonade is my favorite beverage. No, really it is. I like anything of the lemony persuasion. And pe but butter, but we won't get into that now. Anyway, that lemon was one of the best morning lemons ever. Loverly...hmm...maybe you could sneak some peanut butter in there next time.
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From ANON - Mechanical Butterfly on April 20, 2004
Wonderful

e dae days of healing later, Trunks was forced to admit that at least the �weaklings� part of his statement wasn�t the most true thing in the world.--Good I am glad the baka is learning his lesson

(That had hurt only because she smacked the bruise on his face.)--rofl. Yeah for a second I was wondering how she hurt him so easily.

I don�t know, that you would want to�� insert the word �fuck� here, �Me. --ROFL!!!!! I love when you do that! Your writing style is so unique! I just love it!

In the end the Prince just said: �I have time.�--sounds like Goten is gonna get bea a b a bit...hehe. Nothing like getting put in your place by Vegeta no Ouji....
he the told me once that my stories had no emotion in them and they were flat.--really I can hardly believe that! I dont' even see how that could have ever been true. Not only do your fics have emotion but they are unique creative and damn genius!

*Goku from Hormone Therapy shows up and knocks MB on the head. * VEGETA IS MINE! *Grabs �Geta and carts him away.*---YAY! *is just happy Goku touched me* I will never wash my head again...*sighs dreamily*

I am very glad that Trunks apologized to Goten, and am also happy that Gohan is normal again...thats a relief. He was psycho for a minute there....
Well once again I am sorry for the crappy reviews but am super tired and miss my bed and happy I am no longer on the uncomfortable plane...horrid flight I tell you, just horrid!

^.*
-MB-
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From ANON - Getarian on April 20, 2004
*chuckle* Poor Trunks. I have no idea if I should be finding his inner thoughts amusing or not, but I do...in a sympathetic kind of way. Yeah, he fucked-up, but don't we all? and now he's running from pillar to post in a frantic attempt to find someone, anyone who thinks that he didn't say a bad thing...hmmm, maybe he should go ask Gohan...LOL!

No, seriously. I do actually sympathise with him at this point. He knows he spoke out of turn, knows that what he said what pretty damn hurtful, knows that it was a betrayal of trust, and he now desperately wd hed he had thought before he spoke. Really love the way he went to his mother, no doubt expecting her to sympathise with him, pat him on the back and tell him something soothing to alleviate his guilt. What he got was a slap, and told t she she thought he was wrong...loving the image of a shocked Trunks, followed by him telling himself that of course she thought so, because she was a woman and he had indirectly insulted on ton that level.

He's still got some preconceived notions that he seriously needs to loo, bu, but basically, he's just one of billions of people who have at one time or another, stuck their foot in it and are desperately trying to retract it with as little mess as possible. :-)

Love the way he approached his father, without fully thinking that one through as well. For a bright boy, he can be real that tat times. :-D

Love this:

"...Or he was thinking and he honestly believed that only weak people would play uke for their big, strong impressive boyfriends."

Glad to see that Goten can see all possible reasons for Trunks' words. This may not be the reason, and these two may never become a couple, but if they are to become one, and Goten is happy to be uke, then he naturally needs to know that Trunks is going to respect that fact and not think of him as an easy lay.

Really loved the way Goten handled things with Trunks. All seems to be on the road to recovery between them, but Goten was right, not to allow everything to be okay straight away. Trunks needs to remember that "I'm sorry" isn't an immediate 'get out of jail free' card.

Pleased to see Goten and Vegeta having a little spar together, and surprised to note that Goten felt something in common with Vegeta, apart from their respective relationships with each others kin, have to wonder if Goten recognises Vegeta as the uke in his relationship with Goten's father. If this is so, then he's a perceptive little guy, and I really like the idea of him and Vegeta possibly becoming closer. I know that Goku would be happy. :-)

I do love this story. :-)

Looking forward to the next chapter.

Enjoyed the end dialogue :-)

You overwhelm me with your compliments to my reviews, and you have no idea how much it means to me, especially coming from such a wonderful writer as yourself. :-)

However; I feel the need to point out this one unfortunate fact about myself...As much as I absolutely adore compliments, for some reason, I don't handle them at all well, I'm now deeply paranoid that any future reviews are going to seriously suck, and I'm going to disappoint you, so I may find lf nlf now searching to be all wonderfully intuitive and ballsing it right up...just thought I'd give you a heads up. :-)

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From ANON - jaygoose on April 19, 2004
Aww...the was sweet. The Truten thing that is. I love those two together. I am so glad that Goten is getting along with Vegeta. So sweet. Damtoottooth!
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From ANON - Webtester01 on April 19, 2004
Excelent! This chapter really shows the interanl turmoil between Trunks and Goten.

Trunks apology to Goden is the first step towards overcoming his fear.
As the tension calms between them, I think now that Trunks has learned to confront his fears with Goten
the two of them will be drawn even closer than before. I also think that since Goten has seen Trunks deal
with his fear in front of him, he will eventully reveal his fears to Trunks.

I could be wrong, but over time I think that Trunks might be more willing to allow Goten to be seme.

Furthermore: Trunks, actually considering what is takes for Goku and Vegeta to be partners
(and all that that implies), has taken a step forward in maturaty.

There was something else I was going to add to above sentence but I blanked out .

Keep up the great stories. I enjoy reading them. You have inspired me to write some
fanfiction of my own.
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From ANON - Mechanical Butterfly on April 19, 2004
Chapter 23

Oh my...
This chapter was extremely emotional...
I really loved it and honestly if i were to quote lines I swear your whole freaking chapter would be in here.

The lemon was beautiful and sad all at the same time...
Vegeta just makes me so emotional.

This is very lame of me but I really, really get into fics when I read them and I had tears in my eyes and by the end of the chap when Goku says What's wrong I nearly lost it. *sighs*

You really deserve a award. You are amazing, really. It's hard to describe what I was thinking or feeling through out this chapter, but I am glad that you can induce such feelings in me just by reading a fic, a fic that is very realistic to me.

I can kinda understand where Vegeta is coming from when he is being uke, I can see where that may be less complicated for him than being seme. Heartbreaking really....
It was just so sad to see him have to struggle with himself and very proud that he fought his urges.

And Goku...I love him. I love that he has an idea of what Vegeta is thinking and although his perspective lightened the mood for me...it still mad me sad. Especially at the end...Vegeta being afraid...

I have to say I am automatically drawn to Vegeta, and I feel for him in this fic. I love the Prince, but you make me love Goku! No one has ever made me love Goku as much as you...don't get me wrong he is my fave right next to Vegeta...but I literally worship the Prince...^.^ You just write both of these saiyajins so well...

When I read Goku's POV I was impressed. How he felt about being uke and how he wondered Vegeta could stand it everynight...but then looking at the Prince and seeing/feeling that he was struggling...I love how he is. How he doesn't let other peoples opinions decide where his life is goiwhilwhile neither does Vegeta, but he does really struggle with it. With who he thinks he is, who ppl think he is...amazingly written and honestly couldn't compliment you more unless I paid you...^.^ Seeing that I am poor I can only pay you with words...
so Keep up the excellence...

Chapter 24

With his smirk and his all-knowing �You love him� --hehe I love Piccolo and can picture him doing this. Makes me laugh.

Not that Piccolo�he really should start calling it by its name�LoL yeah that's a start

Lie. Lie. Lie. Because even if Goten�s�look at him using everyone�s name�RoFl!!!

He saw that being a plausible scenario�about as plausible as Vegeta taking up a career on Broadway as a chorus dancer.--!!!! ROFL!!!!! I keep picturing this...hilarious!

but if you manage to catch his bad side (which was roughly .00000001% of him; you were pretty much screwed) it�s best to immediately grovel for forgiveness and plead momentary insanity for whatever caused you to get on said bad side.--I vow never to get on his bad side...*shifty eyes* unless....*kidnaps Vegeta* Whatcha gonna do now Goku!?!? *is scared for some reason* Maybe I shouldn't have done that...*gives Vegeta back, then runs away fastly*

�My child is an idiot.� Like he was at an anonymous meeting: �My name is Vegeta, and my son is an idiot.� --rofl!!!! loved that...I love the personalities that are going on and the interaction of everyone.

To tell the truth, the story�s plot only happened because Mechanical Butterfly threw in a plot twist. --I am very happy I did that b/c I love this story so much!

I really missed your updates...and not just b/c you were out of town but b/c I am too -_- and I hate that I still am. But I am sorry for reviewing so late...my comp time here in slim to none...I need to go home very soon!!!!! *sobs* Wish I knew instant transmission....

Anywho totally loved these chapters can't wait until tomorrow... ^.^

^.*
-MB-
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From ANON - Getarian on April 18, 2004
I enjoyed this chapter. I know I'm skipping ahead but I'm still grinning over this line:

"�My child is an idiot.� Like he was at an anonymous meeting: �My name is Vegeta, and my son is an idiot.�"

Cracked me up :-D
Anyway, yup, I have to agree with Vegeta's sentiments here. From what I can understand here, Goten has asked Trunks about being uke, probably due to the fact that Goten was uke the first time, and Trunks does not want that position, now if it's because it's not for him and Goten won't accept that, then I suppose that it's as well that they go no further in their relationship. But if Trunks' only reason for not taking turns with his partner is because he has this hang-up about it being for weaklings and women only, then he deserved every punch he got...little shit.

He not only deeply insulted his best friend, but also unknowingly, his father.

I totally loved the scenes with Goku and Goten. The way Goku felt totally out of his depth in knowing how to deal with all this. His inner thoughts as he listened to Goten ranting on, was very well done and very much in character. I loved it :-)

I really hope that Goten doesn't feel like the lesser of the two, simply because he was willing to be uke. This position is not cut out for everyone, but Trunks could have handled it a whole lot better than he apparently has. I don't know how he is going to smooth things over with Goten, but something tells me that a box of chocolates ain't gonna do it.

I really love the way that you introduce all these side plots along the way, seemingly without effort, and I am looking forward to seeing how this all plays out. :-)

Really loved the end dialogue :-D

"...Thank you so much. I don�t think I can say that enough. Just thank you. All of you that review."

You deserve everyone's reviews, you write such wonderful stuff, you update at an amazing rate, you can suddenly twist the plot out of nowhere and make it all flow, and you can evoke a number of emotions with your words and style...pretty impressive stuff :-)
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From ANON - jaygoose on April 17, 2004
I am so exhausted. I'm sorry I can't really review properly. I like the Goten and Trunks thing, though.
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From ANON - Getarian on April 17, 2004
Well, that was the most touching, yet heartbreaking, lemon I have ever read.

I'm not sure if my review is going to do justice to the depths of emotions I felt as I read through this, but heres ans anyway:

It has been obvious premuchmuch all along that Vegeta loved Goku, that he wanted to share his life with him, be a part of him, but what has never really been certain, is why he has been so willing to be uke. This chapter clarifies this uncertainty in, what is probably, one of the better reasons for why Vegeta would so willingly submit, when his nature has always been somewhat aggressive.

I myself could offer up many reasons, and have on occasion done so, but none fit quite as well as the fact that, Vegeta is being ruled by his fear, his own fear of finding his one time rival so vulnerably placed before him, thereby; in a moment of sheer dominance, placing Vegeta in the supreme position of finally facing up to all those moments when he had hoped to defeat Kakarot.

Okay, it has probably already been established that I'm a complete softy where Vegeta is concerned, and yes, I felt deeply sad that this proud man, is so fearfulhis his darker side emerging, so afraid that everyone is right about him after all, that he cannot allow himself such a moment wthe the man he now loves. To hold back, and finally decide that he should find an alternative, safer (and nowhere near as satisfying) method, in which to please his mate.

The fact that he knows that Goku would never hurt him, but he fears very much that he may hurt Goku, really is tremendously sad...my hearallyally goes out to him, as he battles with some pretty serious self-doubts.

Goku's thoughts on his first experience as uke, was deeply touching, especially when he read the fear in Vegeta's dark expression, and no doubt expered ied it in his touch. I felt his sorrow, when he realised that Vegeta was succumbing to his own belief that he is possibly not good enough for Goku.

The following morning, when Goku awoke to find Vegeta, still up, obviously not having slept or if so, not very well, followed by the scene in the shower, was so heartwrenching.

Vegeta placing Goku at his entrance, re-establishing his role as uke, feeling safith ith it being this way...the background emotions I felt from both of the men and throughout this entire chapter, was pretty heartbreaking.

But what I got from this most of all, was the deepest sense of love between these two strong, independant men.

You outdid yourself on this one Card. It was an exceptional chapter!

Looking forward to the next :-)

Enjoyed the end dialogue :-)

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From ANON - jaygoose on April 16, 2004
-You know, I love this fic too. But sometimes I wish I was just reading it instead of writing it. That way I could look at it and just enjoy it.- That is so true, I wish that too sometimes. I thought that it was just me. I think everything I write is lame anyway...and it is wierd that other people like it. So I thought that maybe if I were on the outside looking in that I would see what everyone else does. Oh, well not going to happen so must deal with it.

Oh, and I have excepted the fact that you are indeed not trying to kill me...you're just trying to make me stronger. ;)

I liked how your Vegeta is still obviously struggling with his feelings for Goku. It just is never that easy...especially for the sweet Prince. It just wouldn't be fun if it was anyway.
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From ANON - kodachi on April 16, 2004
wow, another great chapter... I never thought one could lenghten and thicken the plot so expertly... normaly it always seems a little forced, but with your story it comes so- natural. You go into detail with things nobody has thought of before (like Gohans feelings about Chichi�s death), but when you mention them I can only think: Yeah, she�s right, what IS wrong with Gohan... In other words, you give your characters depth(!) which is very important for a good story I believe... it�s not like: Gohan is bad, Goku is good, Yamcha is plain mean, Bulma is angtc. tc. It�s so interesting to see the characters change their point of view, develope and interact with each other... I LOVE IT! And I love the fact that you go on with your story AFTER the initial Goku/Vegeta-sex and really explain their relashionship and most importantly, one can really FEEL the love they share... it�s not just the: He has a cute ass, sexy body and so on, but they base their relashionship more on their individual personalities and HOW they see each other rather than WHAT they can plain see.. meaning it�s not just the body but the person they fall in love with .... I�m rambling :( ... Anyway, I�m impatiently waiting for the next update. Till then: Have a nice day and friendly greetings, ~kodachi~
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