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May 4, 2004 at 12:00 AM
Nameks are asexual,(and this n odn odd thought) but what if piccolo had boobs?! That\'d be hysterical. Oh yeah, wd, you almost have 5000 hit (i\'ve never seen much like it before-go you!)
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May 4, 2004 at 12:00 AM
You know, I have a feeling that I\'m probably the only one here, but I\'m kinda enjoying the argument between Goku and Vegeta. Now tI caI can see that it\'s more of an explosion of pent up emotions on Goku\'s part, I can understand some of the things he is saying, because nobody thinks rationally when they lose it... and there\'s that old saying, \'you always hurt the one you love\'. Probably, both men are going to go through that by the time this is resolved... which, I\'m hoping will be happy for them, I can\'t bear the thought of them parting ways.
I like the way you played out the initial argument, with Goku misinterpreting Vegeta\'s words:
\"“Gee, thanks Vegeta,” he snapped.\"
\"Vegeta snapped: “I didn’t say I thought it.”\"
\"“Like that makes a difference,” Goku retorted, “You said it.\"
This is the sort of thing that can easily be taken the wrong way during a heated argument, and I really liked the way who whole scene played so beautifully into a full fledged fight... something that was definitely brewing.
Now this was interesting:
\"...And wasn’t that fucking insane, because he was angry—very angry and at the same time he felt a deep disappointment in himself—and at the same time, he was very aroused.\"
I have no idea if I\'ve interpreted this correctly or not, but I feel a sense of more than Goku just being pissed off by everyone around him. I feel as though Goku and Kakarot are having some sort of internal struggle at the moment, and everything that has been going on has been a catalyst for this more than anything else... are we seeing an emergence of some parts of Kakarot? Or am I just being hopeful? *evil grin*
Definitely looking forward to the next chapter... this is getting deeply interesting. :-)
\"So feel free tol mel me that you didn’t like the fight. I’ll understand.\"
Actually, I loved it. We don\'t seem to be agreeing on a lot lately do we? :-D
Loved the end dialogue. :-)
\"Hmm. *bites tongue * Oh, I had this whole response where I pointed out Goku’s POV, but I didn’t want to use it because that would make the whole next chapter repetitive. *sighs * \"
Ack, sorry about that. I hate it when I feel the need to get my point across, and know that I can\'t for one reason or another, so I know how you feel. Hopefully, I\'ll get what you wanted to say when I read the next cha.
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\"...Now if Vegeta took him to Bulma’s house and sat down and had a whole conversation about their sex life, Goku would be like ‘oh yeah!” and all would be fine. (Not that Goku wants that or anything, I’m just saying. It’s a gesture, not a word.)\"
I understand what you\'re saying here about the gesture, and I understand that actions definitely speak louder than words... gotta agree with that, but in this instance, Vegeta telling Bulma was the gesture, and sometimes you have to take your lover at their word, or where\'s the trust? I think that\'s why I felt that whole... \'hasn\'t he done enough to show his love?\' sort of thing.
\"...And *bites tongue again * Oh, I have to say it: Goku is a passive-aggressive person (in my opinion)\"
Hmm, Yeah, never really thought about it before, but yeah, I tend to agree with this. I can see that in him. Hmm, so maybe my \'Kakarot emergence theory\' is a tad premature... ah well, I can dream. ;-)
I\'m definitely eager to read the nehapthapter anyway, would like to hear a little more of what\'s exactly running through Goku\'s mind. :-)
\"*goes to put ice on her bleeding tongue. *\"
Winces, feels very guilty... err, how about ice-cream? Better than ice... Mmm, tasty. Feels less guilty, now that Getarian has given Card an excuse to consume gallons of delicious ice-cream... it\'s for medicinal purposes only. ;-)
I like the way you played out the initial argument, with Goku misinterpreting Vegeta\'s words:
\"“Gee, thanks Vegeta,” he snapped.\"
\"Vegeta snapped: “I didn’t say I thought it.”\"
\"“Like that makes a difference,” Goku retorted, “You said it.\"
This is the sort of thing that can easily be taken the wrong way during a heated argument, and I really liked the way who whole scene played so beautifully into a full fledged fight... something that was definitely brewing.
Now this was interesting:
\"...And wasn’t that fucking insane, because he was angry—very angry and at the same time he felt a deep disappointment in himself—and at the same time, he was very aroused.\"
I have no idea if I\'ve interpreted this correctly or not, but I feel a sense of more than Goku just being pissed off by everyone around him. I feel as though Goku and Kakarot are having some sort of internal struggle at the moment, and everything that has been going on has been a catalyst for this more than anything else... are we seeing an emergence of some parts of Kakarot? Or am I just being hopeful? *evil grin*
Definitely looking forward to the next chapter... this is getting deeply interesting. :-)
\"So feel free tol mel me that you didn’t like the fight. I’ll understand.\"
Actually, I loved it. We don\'t seem to be agreeing on a lot lately do we? :-D
Loved the end dialogue. :-)
\"Hmm. *bites tongue * Oh, I had this whole response where I pointed out Goku’s POV, but I didn’t want to use it because that would make the whole next chapter repetitive. *sighs * \"
Ack, sorry about that. I hate it when I feel the need to get my point across, and know that I can\'t for one reason or another, so I know how you feel. Hopefully, I\'ll get what you wanted to say when I read the next cha.
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\"...Now if Vegeta took him to Bulma’s house and sat down and had a whole conversation about their sex life, Goku would be like ‘oh yeah!” and all would be fine. (Not that Goku wants that or anything, I’m just saying. It’s a gesture, not a word.)\"
I understand what you\'re saying here about the gesture, and I understand that actions definitely speak louder than words... gotta agree with that, but in this instance, Vegeta telling Bulma was the gesture, and sometimes you have to take your lover at their word, or where\'s the trust? I think that\'s why I felt that whole... \'hasn\'t he done enough to show his love?\' sort of thing.
\"...And *bites tongue again * Oh, I have to say it: Goku is a passive-aggressive person (in my opinion)\"
Hmm, Yeah, never really thought about it before, but yeah, I tend to agree with this. I can see that in him. Hmm, so maybe my \'Kakarot emergence theory\' is a tad premature... ah well, I can dream. ;-)
I\'m definitely eager to read the nehapthapter anyway, would like to hear a little more of what\'s exactly running through Goku\'s mind. :-)
\"*goes to put ice on her bleeding tongue. *\"
Winces, feels very guilty... err, how about ice-cream? Better than ice... Mmm, tasty. Feels less guilty, now that Getarian has given Card an excuse to consume gallons of delicious ice-cream... it\'s for medicinal purposes only. ;-)
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May 4, 2004 at 12:00 AM
Well, that fight didn\'t last long did it? :-D Nonetheless, I liked the way it wound down, very realistic. :-)
Really loved the way you incorporated the final scenes from the last chapter into this one with the addition of Vegeta\'s thoughts... this really fleshed it all out very nicely. :-)
Very curious about this:
\"(It wasn’t really a question of struggling, because he could kick the moron off him without much effort, or he could just e hie his power level and knock him off that way. But he didn’t want to.)\"
Was it that he didn\'t want to use those measures against Goku? Or was he saying that he didn\'t want to knock Goku off of him? The last one had my hentai mind working overtime :-)
\"Vegeta shoved himself to his feet and looked at him, at the way he was hanging his head in utter disbelief and not quite cringing, but honestly expecting to be berated like he was a worthless dog.\"
Ah, now this made me sad. I hate picturing Goku like this. I think that it\'s a real good thing that Goku has Vegeta, he needs to learn to be able to blow of some steam and not feel like a bad person because of it. :-(
Love that Vegeta held back from his natural instinct to finish the fight, and was pleased to note that he realised that Kakarot wasn\'t actually attacking him as such but everything that was battling within him.
Loved this:
\"...and he was damn well going to prove that green thing wrong so it could just wipe the fucking green smirk off its face.)\"
LOL! So that was the reason for the smirk... or was it just Vegeta\'s interpretation? Either way, I love that he\'s determined to fight against Piccolo\'s (supposed) belief that he (Vegeta) was clueless where Goku was concerned. Yay! Go Vegeta. :-)
\"“Stop cringing,” he snapped. His voice was slightly messed up due to the fact that his throat was bruising.\"
Yeah, I like this. It wouldn\'t look right on Goku, and this would really annoy Vegeta. Can definitely hear him saying this. :-)
\"...his mind helpfully pointed out that Vegeta had once asked if Kakarot could ‘take all of him’ and here stood Vegeta avoiding that very subject—could he, Vegeta, handle all of Kakarot? If part of that included ‘being held down’ as it were.\"
Oh, good question! Yeah, it definitely works both ways. So the \'being held down bit\' did sort of bother him... understandable... so yeah, he does have to consider if he tru truly handle the fact that Goku does have power over him on a physical level (as well as an emotionl level).
Really loved the way that Vegeta wouldn\'t give up on Goku, and just bluntly pointed out that he was wrong about all those things that he assumed that Vegeta was feeling. Really loved this though:
\"...And if I thought you weren’t worthy of me than I would have killed you years ago…”\"
\"He was interrupted by Kakarot pointing out—helpfully—that “But you did try to kill me years ago, Vegeta.”\"
\"“Obviously I didn’t succeed in that task,” he snapped back—hated when people threw those helpful things back in his face—\"
LOL! Truly enjoyed this!
“The way we have sex is nobody’s business but our own. Its not a dark secret, its our secret.”
So love this! :-)
I\'m not really sure if I should be laughing, but I found this so funny:
“Why do you want to tell anyone anyway?”
\"“I don’t,” was what Kakarot said.\"
\"THEN WHY WERE THEY EVEN HAVING THIS ARGUMENT?! He swore to all the Gods that this moron before him thought like a WOMAN!\"
ROTFL!
“And your Pride,” Kakarot said agreeably. “I know. It’s just… I don’t know. Why was Piccolo smirking at me, anyway?”
\"This is what he got for fighting with a victim of attention deficit disorder.\"
LOL! Actually, Piccolo has a lot to answer for with his mysterious ks..ks... silently causing a shit-load of trouble... I\'m hoping that it wasn\'t intentional.
\"Yes, his mate was tenacious.\"
That\'s a good one word description for Vegeta. :-)
I really felt bad for Goku when he once again tried to brush his feelings under the carpet, because he didn\'t want to deal with an argument with Vegeta... and I loved that Vegeta persisted with him, tried to get him to seek out what was really eating at him... this was a good scene. :-)
Loved this:
“Kakarot,” Vegeta said—very patiently—“He is your son. I don’t care about his existence other than if he says something to you. We,” he motioned vaguely between them, “Are together. That means whatever happens to you happens to me as well.”
I can really \'feel\' the love between these two. Very well written. :-)
Really loved how Vegeta suddenly noticed the blood on Goku and switched the subject to ask about that... I loved the way that tscenscene played out, I could feel Goku\'s confusion as he relayed the scene to Vegeta. Loved Vegeta\'s impressed little smirk. :-)
\"...like maybe that smirk meant that he thought Goku was wrong about letting Vegeta finish his fight with Tien.\"
There you go... that bloody smirk is the root of all evil :-D Okay, seriously... I liked the way that both Goku and Vegeta both saw this smirk, and interpreted it completely differently. Love how you showed this difference in them. :-)
“Hey, ‘Geta,” he said, “Am I bad person?”
“You’re a Saiyan.”
Hmm, not sure that this is entirely the answer that Goku needs right now. He\'s definitely feeling completely insecure about himself at the moment. I\'m wondering where this is all coming from? Is it because of Gohan and the others? Or, is it because he is feeling things within himself that aren\'t sitting well with him at the moment? Or, possibly both?
Just some thoughts swimming around my head... don\'t mind me. :-)
\"Which was a huge complement coming from Vegeta. He considered this. Didn’t feel so incredibly annoyed anymore.\"
Okay, what do I know? :-D Apparently, it was what he needed to hear. :-D
I really loved the end scene, it was so... comfortable... I hope that makes sense. Really loved this:
\"“As long as you’re not getting hard fighting anyone but me,” Vegeta said. Gave him a very serious look. Which made him grin, because he had actually made Vegeta JEALOUS. Or else suspicious. Either way, it made him very happy.\"
This was a wonderful way to end this chapter... so sweet. :-)
Looking forwardmoremore.
Loved the end dialogue. :-)
\"You did it again! I was all with the writing the responses and then WHAM, there’s a review. *gives her the eye *\"
LOL! Sorry... I thought I still had a good couple of hours in front of me. :-)
\"It’s like 6 AM over here in my neck of the woods, btw. When I got the revie
Yeah, then it\'s like I said, your morning is my evening. :-)
\"...So I applied this idea there to this thing, and had Goku feel ‘safe’ enough with Vegeta to bitch at him. (Because everyone else has betrayed him recently except Goten.)\"
Ahh, that makes perfect sense. I like this! That\'s a good bit of reasoning for why the remaining parent does tend to cop a lot of flak. :-)
\"Lucky Vegeta, huh?\"
LOL! Yeah... lucky Vegeta. :-D Still, it\'s really good to know that Goku feels safe with him. :-)
\"Ah…well…about that inner Saiyan coming forth thing… *suddenly her voice is muffled by a large glob of vanilla icecream * \"
LOL!
\"YEAH! WHOOP WHOOP! In total I have over 900 reviews! (On 13 stories) YEAH ME! Oh, oh, More of Us finally inched its little way over 3000 hits! YEAH! *celebrates *\"
That\'s great Card! Well done. :-)
Really loved the way you incorporated the final scenes from the last chapter into this one with the addition of Vegeta\'s thoughts... this really fleshed it all out very nicely. :-)
Very curious about this:
\"(It wasn’t really a question of struggling, because he could kick the moron off him without much effort, or he could just e hie his power level and knock him off that way. But he didn’t want to.)\"
Was it that he didn\'t want to use those measures against Goku? Or was he saying that he didn\'t want to knock Goku off of him? The last one had my hentai mind working overtime :-)
\"Vegeta shoved himself to his feet and looked at him, at the way he was hanging his head in utter disbelief and not quite cringing, but honestly expecting to be berated like he was a worthless dog.\"
Ah, now this made me sad. I hate picturing Goku like this. I think that it\'s a real good thing that Goku has Vegeta, he needs to learn to be able to blow of some steam and not feel like a bad person because of it. :-(
Love that Vegeta held back from his natural instinct to finish the fight, and was pleased to note that he realised that Kakarot wasn\'t actually attacking him as such but everything that was battling within him.
Loved this:
\"...and he was damn well going to prove that green thing wrong so it could just wipe the fucking green smirk off its face.)\"
LOL! So that was the reason for the smirk... or was it just Vegeta\'s interpretation? Either way, I love that he\'s determined to fight against Piccolo\'s (supposed) belief that he (Vegeta) was clueless where Goku was concerned. Yay! Go Vegeta. :-)
\"“Stop cringing,” he snapped. His voice was slightly messed up due to the fact that his throat was bruising.\"
Yeah, I like this. It wouldn\'t look right on Goku, and this would really annoy Vegeta. Can definitely hear him saying this. :-)
\"...his mind helpfully pointed out that Vegeta had once asked if Kakarot could ‘take all of him’ and here stood Vegeta avoiding that very subject—could he, Vegeta, handle all of Kakarot? If part of that included ‘being held down’ as it were.\"
Oh, good question! Yeah, it definitely works both ways. So the \'being held down bit\' did sort of bother him... understandable... so yeah, he does have to consider if he tru truly handle the fact that Goku does have power over him on a physical level (as well as an emotionl level).
Really loved the way that Vegeta wouldn\'t give up on Goku, and just bluntly pointed out that he was wrong about all those things that he assumed that Vegeta was feeling. Really loved this though:
\"...And if I thought you weren’t worthy of me than I would have killed you years ago…”\"
\"He was interrupted by Kakarot pointing out—helpfully—that “But you did try to kill me years ago, Vegeta.”\"
\"“Obviously I didn’t succeed in that task,” he snapped back—hated when people threw those helpful things back in his face—\"
LOL! Truly enjoyed this!
“The way we have sex is nobody’s business but our own. Its not a dark secret, its our secret.”
So love this! :-)
I\'m not really sure if I should be laughing, but I found this so funny:
“Why do you want to tell anyone anyway?”
\"“I don’t,” was what Kakarot said.\"
\"THEN WHY WERE THEY EVEN HAVING THIS ARGUMENT?! He swore to all the Gods that this moron before him thought like a WOMAN!\"
ROTFL!
“And your Pride,” Kakarot said agreeably. “I know. It’s just… I don’t know. Why was Piccolo smirking at me, anyway?”
\"This is what he got for fighting with a victim of attention deficit disorder.\"
LOL! Actually, Piccolo has a lot to answer for with his mysterious ks..ks... silently causing a shit-load of trouble... I\'m hoping that it wasn\'t intentional.
\"Yes, his mate was tenacious.\"
That\'s a good one word description for Vegeta. :-)
I really felt bad for Goku when he once again tried to brush his feelings under the carpet, because he didn\'t want to deal with an argument with Vegeta... and I loved that Vegeta persisted with him, tried to get him to seek out what was really eating at him... this was a good scene. :-)
Loved this:
“Kakarot,” Vegeta said—very patiently—“He is your son. I don’t care about his existence other than if he says something to you. We,” he motioned vaguely between them, “Are together. That means whatever happens to you happens to me as well.”
I can really \'feel\' the love between these two. Very well written. :-)
Really loved how Vegeta suddenly noticed the blood on Goku and switched the subject to ask about that... I loved the way that tscenscene played out, I could feel Goku\'s confusion as he relayed the scene to Vegeta. Loved Vegeta\'s impressed little smirk. :-)
\"...like maybe that smirk meant that he thought Goku was wrong about letting Vegeta finish his fight with Tien.\"
There you go... that bloody smirk is the root of all evil :-D Okay, seriously... I liked the way that both Goku and Vegeta both saw this smirk, and interpreted it completely differently. Love how you showed this difference in them. :-)
“Hey, ‘Geta,” he said, “Am I bad person?”
“You’re a Saiyan.”
Hmm, not sure that this is entirely the answer that Goku needs right now. He\'s definitely feeling completely insecure about himself at the moment. I\'m wondering where this is all coming from? Is it because of Gohan and the others? Or, is it because he is feeling things within himself that aren\'t sitting well with him at the moment? Or, possibly both?
Just some thoughts swimming around my head... don\'t mind me. :-)
\"Which was a huge complement coming from Vegeta. He considered this. Didn’t feel so incredibly annoyed anymore.\"
Okay, what do I know? :-D Apparently, it was what he needed to hear. :-D
I really loved the end scene, it was so... comfortable... I hope that makes sense. Really loved this:
\"“As long as you’re not getting hard fighting anyone but me,” Vegeta said. Gave him a very serious look. Which made him grin, because he had actually made Vegeta JEALOUS. Or else suspicious. Either way, it made him very happy.\"
This was a wonderful way to end this chapter... so sweet. :-)
Looking forwardmoremore.
Loved the end dialogue. :-)
\"You did it again! I was all with the writing the responses and then WHAM, there’s a review. *gives her the eye *\"
LOL! Sorry... I thought I still had a good couple of hours in front of me. :-)
\"It’s like 6 AM over here in my neck of the woods, btw. When I got the revie
Yeah, then it\'s like I said, your morning is my evening. :-)
\"...So I applied this idea there to this thing, and had Goku feel ‘safe’ enough with Vegeta to bitch at him. (Because everyone else has betrayed him recently except Goten.)\"
Ahh, that makes perfect sense. I like this! That\'s a good bit of reasoning for why the remaining parent does tend to cop a lot of flak. :-)
\"Lucky Vegeta, huh?\"
LOL! Yeah... lucky Vegeta. :-D Still, it\'s really good to know that Goku feels safe with him. :-)
\"Ah…well…about that inner Saiyan coming forth thing… *suddenly her voice is muffled by a large glob of vanilla icecream * \"
LOL!
\"YEAH! WHOOP WHOOP! In total I have over 900 reviews! (On 13 stories) YEAH ME! Oh, oh, More of Us finally inched its little way over 3000 hits! YEAH! *celebrates *\"
That\'s great Card! Well done. :-)
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May 4, 2004 at 12:00 AM
Hehe i\'m sure it didnt bother anyone else, wen ur dealing with Saiyans you gotta exspect a fight. This was a nice chapter, poor Goku gets so confused, its so cute ^_^ heh. Ja ne!
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May 4, 2004 at 12:00 AM
Hehe i\'m sure it didnt bother anyone else, wen ur dealing with Saiyans you gotta exspect a fight. This was a nice chapter, poor Goku gets so confused, its so cute ^_^ heh. Ja ne!
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May 4, 2004 at 12:00 AM
When I…uh…had you pinned downncednced a bit here, “I was… You know…” he dropped his gaze down, motioned in the general direction of his disappointed nether parts.
And Vegeta must be really considering choking him now. “Aroused?” the Prince offered.
“Yeah. Why?” Because he couldn’t remember that ever happening before. He had fought Vegeta tons of times. And while he generally did like to see his mate beating the hell out of someone else, sparring with him hadn’t exactly yielded happy sex thoughts (not really) in the past. ROFL
Another wonderful chapter. Finally Goku actually ts tts to admit he has problems like everyone else. And is starting to deal with them.
Keep up the great work!!
And Vegeta must be really considering choking him now. “Aroused?” the Prince offered.
“Yeah. Why?” Because he couldn’t remember that ever happening before. He had fought Vegeta tons of times. And while he generally did like to see his mate beating the hell out of someone else, sparring with him hadn’t exactly yielded happy sex thoughts (not really) in the past. ROFL
Another wonderful chapter. Finally Goku actually ts tts to admit he has problems like everyone else. And is starting to deal with them.
Keep up the great work!!
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May 4, 2004 at 12:00 AM
There was so much tension there… too much! *runs away then comes back to finish review*
The beginning of the chap in Vegeta’s POV was good, made me feel better. ^_^
“Look, Vegeta,” Kakarot said as he got to his feet finally, “I think maybe we should just leave each other alone for a little while…” – when I read this I was like Nooooooooooooooooo! Thank god for Vegeta’s stubbornness… or tenaciousness as Goku put it. (and of course his love for the big lug. ^-^)
‘He didn’t even think about sex when he sparred with Piccolo.’ – I hope he doesn’t, twoulwould be… odd O_o
And Vegeta was jealous, isn’t that *looks around for any sign of Vegeta* … cute ^_^
I was smiling by the end of this chap, cause it ere made me smile… actually I’ve been smiling all day, I think maybe I slept with a coat hanger in my mouth. @_@
The beginning of the chap in Vegeta’s POV was good, made me feel better. ^_^
“Look, Vegeta,” Kakarot said as he got to his feet finally, “I think maybe we should just leave each other alone for a little while…” – when I read this I was like Nooooooooooooooooo! Thank god for Vegeta’s stubbornness… or tenaciousness as Goku put it. (and of course his love for the big lug. ^-^)
‘He didn’t even think about sex when he sparred with Piccolo.’ – I hope he doesn’t, twoulwould be… odd O_o
And Vegeta was jealous, isn’t that *looks around for any sign of Vegeta* … cute ^_^
I was smiling by the end of this chap, cause it ere made me smile… actually I’ve been smiling all day, I think maybe I slept with a coat hanger in my mouth. @_@
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May 4, 2004 at 12:00 AM
*sniffles* That was a fascinating chapter. I didn\'t stop reading it not even once. Yes, that is a compliment. Goku needs and anger management course in my opinion. And since he is Saiyan, I say that Vegeta be his instructor. I don\'t think I\'ve ever seen the Prince have a problem expressing his anger.
900 reviews...that\'s a lot of reviews. I\'m shooting for 100...when I get that far I will know I\'ve truely made it. :)
900 reviews...that\'s a lot of reviews. I\'m shooting for 100...when I get that far I will know I\'ve truely made it. :)
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May 3, 2004 at 12:00 AM
Well, that was a bit of a curveball. :-)
Tricky situation, and yeah, both of the pure bloods have some deep issues that need to be sorted, or their relationship is definitely doomed.
I can understand and sympathise with the fact that Goku is frustrated as hell that no matter who he is no-one is ever quite satisfied, and the fact that he feels that he can\'t just be himself, is something that he should have at least told Vegeta long before now, as he should have told Vegeta how much it bothered him that Vegeta seems to have no problems with the others believing that he is uke, when in fact it is Vegeta. These are important issues to him and he shouldn\'t have been bottling them up.
Unfortunately, this is where my sympathies with Goku end. In his own way, he is also asking Vegeta to be less Saiyan, and in the most part, I truly feel that Goku is being incredibly unfair to Vegeta, especially blowing up at him like that.
I\'m curious as to what Goku wanted from Vegeta in relation to the uke issue and how he would feel if anyone knew. Vegeta admitted that Bulma knew, that\'s a very big thing for the Prince, it took courage for him to admit this to her, but it\'s still apparently not enough to settle Goku\'s mind. Vegeta has given a lot in this relationship, he has shown more of himself to Goku than he has to anyone else, he has accepted the role of uke without complaint, he has made himself completely vulnerable to Goku, and every time that Goku stopped him from following through on his instincts, Vegeta accepted this without complaint, allowing the others to see that Goku had this power over him.
Yet Goku seems to want to know how Vegeta would be should everyone know. Why? Why should everyone know? Why, once again, does Vegeta have to surrender something of himself to prove his love for Goku? Goku knows of Vegeta\'s pride, knows that his status as uke is something deeply personal for him. He should respect that. Vegeta never told the others what they chose to assume, yet it seems to bother Goku that Vegeta never corrected that misconception, which implies that it also bothers Goku, so in that case why is he so down on Vegeta about it when he knows that pride is a much bigger thing for Vegeta than it ever has been for him?... and why should Vegeta have to justify his relationship with Goku to anyone anyway?
These are the thoughts thare rre running around in my head, as I read this.
If Goku had sat Vegeta down and told him this, then maybe they could both tell the others that they can assume what they want, but they\'ll never know the truth, because it\'s not their right to know. However; Goku has let this brew, and now he\'s coming right down on Vegeta, who has only been trying to build a relationship with Goku.
I am also surprised that Goku didn\'t remember that Vegeta wanted to kill Tien long before he found out about their relationship, and that Tien had been pushing at Vegeta long enough to make even the simplest thing be the last straw for him... as it happens, it wasna sia simple thing... but yeah, Tien definitely had it coming anyway... it wasn\'t just out of the blue and that one factor that did it.
It seems to me that he\'s expecting too much of Vegeta. Asking him to surrender way too much of himself for their relationship. So far, I see that Vegeta is trying (against all odds) to build a relationship with Goku, but Goku seems to be trying to build a relationship around his son\'nd ind in some respect, his friends, approval, so much so, that they nowe hie him questioning himself, and Vegeta.
Also, knowing that Goku admitted to himself that had ChiChi been alive, then he wouldn\'t even be with Vegeta, just made me feel really bad for both Vegeta and Bulma.
A very emotional chapter, and I am definitely interested in seeing what happens next. But am very worried that these two have some big issues between them, and outside influences have not helped at all.
I understand what you said about Goku and why he reacted like this, and I went back and re-read it, to see if maybe I overlooked someg img important, which would change the way I saw this chapter, but I honestly couldn\'t. I really do bve tve that Vegeta has given a lot in this relationship, and surrendered enough of his Saiyan ways. He at least was honest in his feelings for Goku, and was strong enough to make the decision to leave Bulma, which was not an easy thing for him to do to her.
\"So…basically, Goku needs a hug. And Vegeta didn’t give him a hug when he needed it. So…\"
I really thought that Vegeta admitting to him that Bulma knew about his uke status, was better than any hug. These guys aren\'t the hug types. :-)
\"(I have so been building up this fight since chapter 18 or 19 when Tien first says ‘How can you let that thing fuck you?’ But nobody really commented on it. *sigh* I bet they’ll comment now!! MWHAHAHAHAHAHA!)\"
I remember that scene. I honestly didn\'t think it was a big deal for Goku, which is why I didn\'t say anything. Goku has never had a big issue with pride before, he\'s always just done whatever suited him, so yeah, that\'s why I never saw anything brewing from this. I thought that he was just annoyed with their attitude in general, and just wanted to get away from them, which is one of the reasons that I suspected that he kept allowing the others to keep calling Vegeta a \"thing\" without once getting annoyed over that, \'cause I figured that he just felt that it wasn\'t worth the exta grief, and I guess I was wrong about all of it. Nope definitely didn\'t see this coming. :-)
Guess I\'m going to have to wait and see what happens next. You definitely surprised me in this chapter. Not the argument bit, I sort of figured something was brewing because of what Goten said, buah, ah, I figured that Goku would let Tien\'s death finally get to him, and that\'s what it would all be about. Not complaining mind you, I like the fact that you\'re not predictable, even when I don\'t necessarily agree with it. :-)
Tricky situation, and yeah, both of the pure bloods have some deep issues that need to be sorted, or their relationship is definitely doomed.
I can understand and sympathise with the fact that Goku is frustrated as hell that no matter who he is no-one is ever quite satisfied, and the fact that he feels that he can\'t just be himself, is something that he should have at least told Vegeta long before now, as he should have told Vegeta how much it bothered him that Vegeta seems to have no problems with the others believing that he is uke, when in fact it is Vegeta. These are important issues to him and he shouldn\'t have been bottling them up.
Unfortunately, this is where my sympathies with Goku end. In his own way, he is also asking Vegeta to be less Saiyan, and in the most part, I truly feel that Goku is being incredibly unfair to Vegeta, especially blowing up at him like that.
I\'m curious as to what Goku wanted from Vegeta in relation to the uke issue and how he would feel if anyone knew. Vegeta admitted that Bulma knew, that\'s a very big thing for the Prince, it took courage for him to admit this to her, but it\'s still apparently not enough to settle Goku\'s mind. Vegeta has given a lot in this relationship, he has shown more of himself to Goku than he has to anyone else, he has accepted the role of uke without complaint, he has made himself completely vulnerable to Goku, and every time that Goku stopped him from following through on his instincts, Vegeta accepted this without complaint, allowing the others to see that Goku had this power over him.
Yet Goku seems to want to know how Vegeta would be should everyone know. Why? Why should everyone know? Why, once again, does Vegeta have to surrender something of himself to prove his love for Goku? Goku knows of Vegeta\'s pride, knows that his status as uke is something deeply personal for him. He should respect that. Vegeta never told the others what they chose to assume, yet it seems to bother Goku that Vegeta never corrected that misconception, which implies that it also bothers Goku, so in that case why is he so down on Vegeta about it when he knows that pride is a much bigger thing for Vegeta than it ever has been for him?... and why should Vegeta have to justify his relationship with Goku to anyone anyway?
These are the thoughts thare rre running around in my head, as I read this.
If Goku had sat Vegeta down and told him this, then maybe they could both tell the others that they can assume what they want, but they\'ll never know the truth, because it\'s not their right to know. However; Goku has let this brew, and now he\'s coming right down on Vegeta, who has only been trying to build a relationship with Goku.
I am also surprised that Goku didn\'t remember that Vegeta wanted to kill Tien long before he found out about their relationship, and that Tien had been pushing at Vegeta long enough to make even the simplest thing be the last straw for him... as it happens, it wasna sia simple thing... but yeah, Tien definitely had it coming anyway... it wasn\'t just out of the blue and that one factor that did it.
It seems to me that he\'s expecting too much of Vegeta. Asking him to surrender way too much of himself for their relationship. So far, I see that Vegeta is trying (against all odds) to build a relationship with Goku, but Goku seems to be trying to build a relationship around his son\'nd ind in some respect, his friends, approval, so much so, that they nowe hie him questioning himself, and Vegeta.
Also, knowing that Goku admitted to himself that had ChiChi been alive, then he wouldn\'t even be with Vegeta, just made me feel really bad for both Vegeta and Bulma.
A very emotional chapter, and I am definitely interested in seeing what happens next. But am very worried that these two have some big issues between them, and outside influences have not helped at all.
I understand what you said about Goku and why he reacted like this, and I went back and re-read it, to see if maybe I overlooked someg img important, which would change the way I saw this chapter, but I honestly couldn\'t. I really do bve tve that Vegeta has given a lot in this relationship, and surrendered enough of his Saiyan ways. He at least was honest in his feelings for Goku, and was strong enough to make the decision to leave Bulma, which was not an easy thing for him to do to her.
\"So…basically, Goku needs a hug. And Vegeta didn’t give him a hug when he needed it. So…\"
I really thought that Vegeta admitting to him that Bulma knew about his uke status, was better than any hug. These guys aren\'t the hug types. :-)
\"(I have so been building up this fight since chapter 18 or 19 when Tien first says ‘How can you let that thing fuck you?’ But nobody really commented on it. *sigh* I bet they’ll comment now!! MWHAHAHAHAHAHA!)\"
I remember that scene. I honestly didn\'t think it was a big deal for Goku, which is why I didn\'t say anything. Goku has never had a big issue with pride before, he\'s always just done whatever suited him, so yeah, that\'s why I never saw anything brewing from this. I thought that he was just annoyed with their attitude in general, and just wanted to get away from them, which is one of the reasons that I suspected that he kept allowing the others to keep calling Vegeta a \"thing\" without once getting annoyed over that, \'cause I figured that he just felt that it wasn\'t worth the exta grief, and I guess I was wrong about all of it. Nope definitely didn\'t see this coming. :-)
Guess I\'m going to have to wait and see what happens next. You definitely surprised me in this chapter. Not the argument bit, I sort of figured something was brewing because of what Goten said, buah, ah, I figured that Goku would let Tien\'s death finally get to him, and that\'s what it would all be about. Not complaining mind you, I like the fact that you\'re not predictable, even when I don\'t necessarily agree with it. :-)
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May 3, 2004 at 12:00 AM
wah!...i agree with goku!...i don\'t want them to have problems!...no problems should goku and vegeta have!...*blinks*...hehe...think i jsut sounded like yoad...anywhoo...i adore this fic...i love the way that you write vegeta...he\'s so...vegeta-esque...i mean...so many people, including yours truly, do not write him in character and i love seeing a fic where he is in character yet also with goku...so, yay for you!...wooo!